Friday, June 24, 2011

Is Pasteurized Milk Safer Than Raw Milk?


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Recently, a Homestead Revival™ reader asked a great question concerning raw milk that I thought was worthy of more discussion...


"I am afraid to buy something raw from people I do not know who do not have to adhere to standards. Is that a valid concern?"


The short answer is YES! 


But that doesn't mean you shouldn't consume ANY raw milk products. Making the decision to switch to non-pasteurized milk just isn't that simple. And if you're considering such a change, you should be a responsible consumer, do some homework, and make an informed decision that you can live with comfortably.

Obviously, as far as raw milk is concerned, it MUST be handled properly. If you can meet the farmer, take an educational tour of his barn, see his herd for noticeable evidence of good health, and perhaps watch him milk, then you can make a fairly well informed decision. All equipment should be kept in pristine condition, udders thoroughly washed before each milking, and the actual milk should be filtered for small particles such as hair. Finally, the milk should be chilled right away.

Seeing first hand how the farmer operates is not always possible, in which case you might need to do some quiet investigating among friends or acquaintances who use the dairy and find out what they know about their sanitations standards. But be careful so as not to draw attention to the farmer. If you think the government's happy about all this raw milk love, think again. Even where it's legal, raw milk dairies are not looked upon favorably by the government or "establishment" and often there is suspicion and an eye toward finding fault with them in order to shut down their operation.

There's also a few websites and blogs specifically set up to convince people NOT to consume raw milk, which include examples of individuals getting sick from raw milk products. But what they fail to mention is the fact that there's just as many or MORE cases of individuals getting sick from pasteurized products.

Cooking a product to death does not make it healthier for you. Nor does it mean that once it is sterile, it will remain so. There is a huge misconception that "pasteurized" means it can't be contaminated. Since nothing "living" remains in the milk, there is none of the good bacteria to fight any of the bad bacteria that might start growing in the milk after pasteurization has occurred, which is why it's a must be handled carefully and refrigerated at all times.

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With raw milk, the good bacteria is still there to work against the bad bacteria. This doesn't mean the good bacteria always wins, but it does mean that the milk has a fighting chance. This is also why people culture dairy products - so as to increase the good bacteria, which is also why you can leave it out on the counter to develop the bacteria. Complicated? Wardeh does a much better job explaining all this in her GNOWFGLINS™ Cultured Dairy Class! Here's how Raw Milk Facts explains it...


"In what microbiologists call the principal of Competitive Exclusion, non-pathogenic bacteria like, say, Lactococcus lactis, can actually limit or kill bad bugs like Listeria monocytogenes, responsible for hundreds of illnesses yearly (2)."

The natural lactic acid in raw milk actually helps keep the good and bad bacteria in balance! God planned it perfectly. So it's usually not the milk that is the issue (unless the animal is sick), but rather how it is handled afterward. But to our modern minds, we have difficulty thinking outside the "refrigerated" box on this one! Consider the fact that people consumed raw milk for thousands of years before refrigeration methods were common place or before Louise Pasteur ever taught them how to pasteurize it. Sure some got sick, but it wasn't until the 19th century that things got out of hand and it became a huge health issue. (See my post Raw Milk: An Introduction and Brief History).

I'd be the first to agree that there was a problem with milk during the late 1800's and children in particular were dying from a bad product, but the solution wasn't necessarily the correct one. Instead of getting to the root of the problem, which was bad animal husbandry practices, the government opted to just kill all the bacteria in milk altogether. (Of course, they had to "fix" the milk by adding stuff back in as well, but we never will make a product as good as the one God originally designed).

Since the government didn't require large milk producers to change their bad habits (which is what created the problem to begin with) many animals being milked for commercial purposes STILL continue to be kept in less than sanitary conditions (relatively speaking since we're dealing with animals). To make matters worse, they are fed a diet that is not natural to their God-ordained design, and must be given antibiotics to kill the bad bacteria in order to keep the milk safe. This is exactly why pasteurization is so appealing and necessary... it kills bad bacteria that enter the milk which is usually due to bad animal husbandry practices!

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Since small scale dairy farms have more control over their smaller herds, they tend to "know" their animals and monitor them for health issues more closely, while maintaining better living and milking conditions. Sure, farmers can do a bad job at this, just as easily as the large commercial dairies, but that's where knowing your farmer is a must. And if the dairy is a "certified" raw dairy, you can be sure it has been inspected a LOT more often than a conventional dairy! The standards are much higher, and the milk is much better.

Am I making a clear case here... that pasteurization would not be necessary if the cows and milk were handled properly according to God's design? And so we come back around to the beginning again... you need to either know your farmer or milk your own. But raw milk in and of itself is a great food!

So it becomes a question of who are you going to trust? The farmer who willingly shows you his operation and encourages questions to educate the public OR the nanny state that would like to keep you on the proverbial bottle telling you not to ask questions, but to just trust them because they are the only ones who are capable of making a "safe" product and wise enough to make such a decision?

(A final note for clarification: I do not believe that all conventional dairy farmers are evil and practice bad animal husbandry. Nor do I believe all raw organic farmers are good and take care of their herds. My point is it's easier to know a local dairy farmer than one three states away and the choice ought to be each individual's decision, not the government's.)


Since most people feel very strongly about this topic, I want to encourage comments, but I ask that you please keep Ephesians 4:29 in mind when you do... 


"Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear."  


Thank you!




38 comments:

  1. Amy, this is a wonderful summary. I recently got into a "discussion" about raw milk on facebook and this is exactly the kind of introduction I need to post for them to read! Thank you. You are absolutely right that you need to know your farmer--if not personally, then at least through excellent recommendations!

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  2. What a great post!

    Here in Europe, raw milk - and cheese - has always been more acceptable. I frequently eat French raw cheese and it is delicious. And we drink fresh milk. Our government only gives a warning regarding raw products if you are pregnant. I've never grown up with a sense of fear around raw products at all.

    The EU, up till now, has also done a decent job of resisting GMO products. I feel like - and I am sure some of my fellow readers might disagree :) - that our socially progressive governmental regulations have helped to protect our food interests. Our European culture has naturally been in favor of more natural products and has been skeptic of genetic engineering and overly-processed food. Especially in France (I am not French, but we live close enough!), there is a real consciousness about good, natural, 'slow' food and a pride in a sophisticated and civilized food culture. When I lived in the USA for a couple of years, I was shocked at the (poor) quality of the food and the number of unnatural additives food has.

    Now, I am not saying Europe is food Utopia. A lot is changing and we've had scandals in the past, ranging from BSE to the recent EHEC bacteria scare. We too face increasingly detrimental legislation pushed by strong corporate interests. GMO's are increasingly getting the green light and now we also have to eat genetically-modified corn from the USA. Agri-business is also consolidating its power here.

    So, I look at the American 'developments' with trepidation because it might be a harbinger of things yet to come for us. We've lost so much touch with natural ways to produce food. I am glad you wrote this post to encourage us to explore raw milk options and next time I'm in my European supermarket, I'll make sure to do that!

    Good luck to everyone who is striving to keep our food accessible, natural, beautiful, healthy and in tune with the Earth. I salute you :)

    Blessings,
    This Good Life

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  3. Thank you for all the information on the subject,my Father was a milk man my whole life (Im 51) and I sure can remember the whole contraversy over RAW milk.
    Personally I do not have a problem with the whole raw milk issue...as you state, we need to be informed and then make the decision that works for us.
    Just for the record, I do not drink raw milk but its only due to lack of knowledge in the raw milk, and I appreciate all your great advice on the topic...I love milk and always will 1% is my favorite :)

    Thanks again!

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  4. Amy, we get a fresh gallon nightly from a friend. It appears that they are clean and follow everything outlined above. However, the milk tastes like cows smell and is spur within 48 hours. Is that normal? I have a friend who os able to get some from a different farmer and hers does not sour for at least 5-7 days.

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  5. Small farms/farmers tend to think they are inherently good, and should get a free pass no matter what they do.
    There are several small farms where I live, these "farmers" love to tell me about how they are so much better than those "big" or "corporate" places, but the fact of the matter is...they aren't. Their animals are kept in squalid conditions on too small an acreage, some not ever seeing the light of day. Their level of hygeine is almost none existent, they do not have a basic understanding of cross infection and unfortunately they butcher all their own animals and sell at the farm gate. I would never buy or consume anything from this farm, but many people do. I am certain someone will get sick very soon and then, of course, the government will change the rules for everyone.

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  6. A few months ago my MIL and compared her Jersey's raw milk vs pasteurized milk under her medical grade phase contrast microscope. The difference was incredible! The LIFE in the raw milk just made sense to consume!!

    (we also compared the raw milk to my breastmilk LOL...that was cool too!!)

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  7. Thanks for the great, informative post about raw milk. It can surely be very confusing these days. We used to buy conventional, then went to organic (but it's SO pricey), and finally in recent months have bought raw from a local farmer who raises Jersey cows.
    Now, we're getting to dairy goats that are currently giving milk and the breeder can't keep. Talk about changes!
    I think your point about animal husbandry for cleanliness and just over all stewardship of what God has given us is so true---even with our own animals :)

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  8. This is a good topic. I have dairy goats and milk them for my own use. But once people found out about my goat milk I started getting phone calls to buy it. I'm not comfortable selling the milk. I don't want to get into trouble if someone would get sick. In todays society, the threat of being sued is a real issue. In fact, we changed our homeowners insurance to farm owners insurance because I hve escaping chickens that like the road. If my critters would cause an accident I could be sued. If someone got sick from eating my eggs I could be sued. If someone got sick buying raw milk from me I could get arrested because it's illegal to sell raw milk.
    Back on topic, I feel better drinking the raw milk. I know what I feed my goats, I know how I clean my equipment. My Hubby cannot drink pasturized milk, it makes him sick, but the raw goats milk doesn't bother him at all. In my opinion it's healthier. Before I got my goats, I would go to a local dairy farmer. He had 40 cows I watched him milk, pour the milk into the filter and watched it go into the bulk tank which chilled it. I did buy from him $2.50 a gallon, cheaper than the store and healthier. But first he made me write a waiver stating that if my family got sick from drinking the milk we did not hold him, his farm or his cows responsible. I wrote it. I figured I knew where this milk came from and when it was milked. I don't know where the milk came from at the store.

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  9. Excellent post!! I just went and found that there are many dairies all over the state of Washington and Oregon. There are several places in our area to choose from for purchase. Thank you for this informative post, I will now be having raw half and half in my coffee!!

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  10. Amy,
    Lovely post, very detailed and I wholeheartedly agree, the choice should be ours. Lord willing I will finally have raw milk by next week, this is something I have been praying and hoping for months, if not years!
    Thank you!

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  11. Great answer to this question Amy! I think it's so important to really know who you are getting your raw milk from. And once you have a supplier you can trust, raw milk is a wonderful thing!

    ~Amanda
    Homegrown & Beeyoutiful

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  12. My grandfather was a dairy farmer and in the 60's I was raised on raw milk from his herd. None in my family were ever ill from it and I believe my good health today, at 53, stems largely from eating wholesome foods from the garden and dairy as I was growing up. We really are what we eat, and we need to get back to eating as God intended. By the way, we don't see much about how many people get sick or die from FDA approved foods and medicines do we? I believe that far more people die from FDA approved products than from home grown food and meats!

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  13. Great Article Amy, thanks for the good information.

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  14. We have been drinking raw milk from a local farm for over a year, and none of us has gotten sick from it. In fact, my daughter has thrived since we started it. We found the farm from a friend, and have met the farmers and watched them milk. Lily has also made friends with the pigs, but that's another story! I am much more comfortable knowing where my milk comes from, than trusting the government.

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  15. Love this post. Raw milk is illegal in my state, but my goal is to own some acres and have dairy goats/cow. Pasteurized milk is lifeless, and I try not to give it to my children. I also read that pasteurized milk isn't capable of imparting calcium, since the enzymes are dead in it.

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  16. Great topic, Amy - I'm sure this will garner many responses! I do have a question that I have not been able to find answered on the internet. We have 2 goat kids, and I plan on breeding the doeling next year. I would like to use the milk solely for our family of 6, and I am not planning on pasteurizing. I would like to know when the milk will be "safest" for consumption (and obviously I will use all necessary precautions anyway). But is it best to wait 24 hours after milking to consume (I read this somewhere) or is it a case of "the sooner the better?" Looking forward to the comments here . . .

    Kate in NY

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  17. Thanks for this post. I learned a lot of what to look for when I'm looking for raw milk.

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  18. What a wonderful, thoughtful and accurate post! Thank you, Amy. I enjoy your blog so much, because you care deeply about people which shows in your words. I will be happy once we move and are able to get raw milk, because I am a believer in how healthy it is for us.

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  19. I've really wanted to try raw milk but have yet to find a local provider. For now we've been drinking organic, grass feed cow milk which, at $5 a gallon is rough, but better than the "other" stuff.

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  20. Great post Amy! You are right, God did produce a perfect food. We are raw goat milk people and loving it!
    xo
    Caroline

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  21. I tend to look at foods in this light: my ancestors were fine consuming things without processing, so I will be fine as well.

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  22. Thanks for the excellent comments everyone!

    Someone asked if it was normal that the milk tasted sour after only 48 hours... Sour milk does not necessarily equal spoiled milk, but I wonder if your friend is giving you the milk from that particular day's milking? Other factors that could determine the sour flavor would include where the animal is in it's lactation cycle (when did it last have a calf), feed, how quickly he chills the milk, etc.

    Anyone else want to weigh in on this?

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  23. Kate in NY asked when it was safest to consume fresh milk. We drink it as soon as it's cold enough.

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  24. Anonymous asked about how fast the milk should stay fresh tasting.

    We have both dairy goats and a Jersey cow. Our Jersey cow milk stays fresh for a minimum of a week to sometimes 3, sanitation and milk handling both at the dairy and in the home.

    In the winter months while its cooler during milking, it is not uncommon to have her milk stay fresh for 2-3 weeks. In the summer when its hot outside, and thus, the milk doesn't cool down quite so quickly....like as it hits the pail, it can be 1-2 weeks.

    But for the milk to stay fresh for just a couple of days indicates that you may be getting older milk, the cow has a high somatic cell count which is harboring more bad bacteria and she is bordering on or has subclinical mastitis, the hygiene of the milking is not clean enough, the milk is not getting cooled fast enough, or the milk is not staying cool enough.

    But the reasons are not always on the dairy's end. If the milk does not stay cold between the dairy and home or your refrigerator setting is not cold enough, it will sour faster. Or, if you let the milk sit out on the counter for any time between using it will sour faster.

    We store our milk in 1/2 gal canning jars. We wash them, store them and then spray them with hydrogen peroxide that has air dried prior to filling them with freshly milked, strained milk. They are immediately refrigerated. If that process takes too long in the summer, especially, the milk will sour faster. Do you provide clean jars to the dairy for filling? Or do they clean them? Many raw dairies require their buyers to provide clean jars to be filled.

    We bought a label maker at Costco and we label all of our jars with the day of the week the milk was from. These labels peel off and are reusable for a long time and has greatly simplified our milk storage and use system. On Sunday afternoon, we clear out the fridge and make pudding, ice cream or clabber what is old and start out fresh for the new week. If we had more fridge space (we have 2) we would keep the milk longer, but we must have room for the fresh milk that is coming so we must clean out on Sundays.

    Mastitic milk will have a salty flavor and should not be used. The dairy needs to be informed of the salty flavor so they know to treat their cow for mastitis.

    Sour milk can be used in baking like one would use buttermilk. We clabber older or sour milk on the counter and then feed it to our chickens. They l.o.v.e. it!

    Goat milk is different than cow milk in how long it stays fresh. Goat milk will taste goaty faster, depending upon a variety of issues. In addition to the above sour milk reasons, goat milk can taste off if a goat's mineral levels are not balanced, and balancing a goat's minerals can be difficult to achieve once they're off. Also, if there are male goats around a doe in milk, their milk will not only taste goaty, but will taste bucky....ewww!!!

    Our family prefers the Jersey milk over the goat milk, except for two uses..........ice cream and goat milk soap. Because goat milk is naturally homogenized, straight goat milk makes great ice cream and moisturizing soap. Straight Jersey milk is more like ice milk unless extra cream is added, but still good. The cream in the milk can turn into butter than ice cream, which is not hard to do. And straight Jersey milk does not make good soap.

    So, short story long, your milk should stay fresh for longer than a couple of days. Maybe you are getting older milk in the first place. Or, consider the above possibilities if that is not the case.

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  25. To the anonymous commenter wondering if it's normal for raw milk to sour within 48 hours:

    No! I offer raw milk shares from my herd of dairy goats and jersey cow so I deal with raw milk every day - it should NOT smell like cow or goat and though the milk is more fragile because it's live, we've found that it lasts at least 5 days, and even more from the cow before it "tastes" sour or becomes strong.

    Does the farm milk by hand? I don't want to bash milking by hand, but we have found that milking by machine is much more sanitary (providing that the farmer washes it well).

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  26. I like this article, I think it presents both benefits and risks in a clear fashion. I especially agree with your point regarding the size of the producer, this is not what the discussion is about.

    I'm located in NS, Canada, and here we have government mandated limits on the amount of milk that can be produced in the province; supposedly in the name of safe food handling. I've started to question whether or not the Pasteurized/Non-Pasteurized Milk argument is a red herring?

    Every time we hear this issue discussed I have a hard time reconciling the fact that I prefer to err on the side of caution and drink Pasteurized Milk. However, this does not preclude me from milking my own cow and Pasteurizing the milk myself. In that case, surely, if the legislation were about requiring milk to be Pasteurized prior to sale, I could milk my cow, Pasteurize in my kitchen, and sell milk from my farm gate. This is not the case. This is not about safety: I am forbidden to sell milk in any state of processing, including as fertilizer (as a demonstrated by a recent case).

    The real issue is not whether the milk is pasteurized, but the legality of small producers entering the market with their product.

    After reading many opinions, it appears that most people (including myself) are muddling the two arguments: "Raw vs Pasteurized" is a related, but distinct, discussion from "Licensing of Production". I can think of several cases in the past where my muddling of these two arguments has put me in a personal quandary (I couldn't understand my own view), and where it has clouded the discussions (they wanted licensing because they want the safety of pasteurization, and I wanted raw because I dislike licensing).

    You have done a good job of distinguishing between which of these two issues in you are referring to. Well done.

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  27. Excellent post, Amy. You know I am so interested in this topic. I can't find anyone locally for raw milk but one day I will get a goat! Have an excellent weekend~

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  28. Thanks for the great overview and discussion. I really like seeing people making informed decisions. As you say not all raw milk is good or bad, and not all pasteurized milk is good or bad either.
    It would be nice if raw milk was available in my area without having to own a portion of the cow. Maybe some day it will be an option.

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  29. Thanks for the informative post, Amy . I learned a lot that I didn't know before... I would love to try raw m ilok sometimee, just to taste the difference. I think it would be better for me, personally. I'm not sure if we have any raw milk armers in my area or not. There is one farm around here somewhere that sells raw goat's milk...which I love to drink. Have a great weekend. Love and hugs from Oregon, Heather :)

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  30. We had the priveledge of living next to an Amish Community last winter in South WI.,We learned alot from them and bought much of their milk/eggs/products...
    I would definately suggest the "off flavor, cow/barn" taste is from not Chilling it immediately after milking process....needs to be chilled(sink of ice water) for at least a good 30 minutes, I bet this will help....
    Thanks KElly M

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  31. Very informative post, Amy! Thanks so much for sharing this with us. I am very interested in raw milk but since it is illegal in my state we don't know of many good sources for it :(

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  32. Thank you for this post. We have been consuming raw milk for a few months now and this has been helpful as as I have been getting a few comments from family members here and there warning me of ecoli and such. I am happy to know that the small farm that we get milk from adheres to the standards you speak of.

    Re: the smell. I noticed a slight different smell the first few weeks that we were drinking the milk. Now, there is no smell that I can notice. I attributed this my just getting used to the raw milk.

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  33. Excellent information! Thank you! It is not legal to sell raw milk to the public here, but we are considering acquiring a couple of dairy goats.

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  34. the off-smell and taste can also be from cows on baleage, rather than pasture. I work at a raw milk dairy, and "winter milk" (girls eating baleage) is just not drinkable to me. Once the girls are on pasture, as they are now, the milk is beautiful. However, baleage or pasture, the milk should still last for at least 10 days (which is what we put on store lables), and when soured, it should still smell clean - that's natural buttermilk.

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  35. As former 'conventional' dairy farmers (i.e on a larger scale but pasture based system )I am pleased you added the point at the end for for clarification. We didn't personally know all our cows by name but I can assure you we looked after our farm and the health of our cows. As for our large dairy shed which my husband kept immaculate - it was so clean you could eat your dinner off the floor and see your face in the pipework. Mainly due to hot water and scrubbing I must add rather than reliance on chemical cleaners. We were audited regularly and always received a top grade for shed hygiene and cleanliness. Therefore I had no hesitation in consuming our own milk but of course we were not allowed to sell or give away raw milk and we turned down anyone who did ask - it was our livelihood at stake. When we left the farm I knew I would miss the raw milk but thankfully I was able to find a source that I trusted. We have now consumed raw milk for 15 years without any ill effects and indeed attribute the health of the family to this incredible God given food in its natural state. I must add that I do believe there has to be farm inspections/testing of milk for dairy farms, sadly not all dairy farmers keep clean premises and we have seen some very unclean sheds - it tended to be the smaller operations too and older sheds with older machinery and pitted concrete are harder to keep clean. Once upon a time they could get away with such poor standards but with regular audits and dairy companies able to refuse to pick up milk - this is becoming rarer. The other point I would add about working farms is the visiting - this is not always feasible. It sounds wonderful but having members of the public on a farm presents the farmer with many issues regarding liability. He is the one who gets sued if a person is injured after slipping over in the mud or is butted by a cow. Even on smaller farms there are tractors operating and having others viewing a milking was something my husband didn't encourage because it did upset the cows to have a stranger in the shed.

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  36. Great post. I recently wrote an article on raw milk for Edible Grande Traverse, a local magazine. I interviewed farmers and wrote a bit of my own experience with milk.
    http://www.ediblecommunities.com/grandetraverse/online-magazine/spring-2011/spring-2011-toc.htm

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  37. Thanks for sharing the link! The more we talk about raw milk and educate people, the less fear ( I hope)!

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  38. Very nice article! I love finding other homesteading blogs that talk about the issues surrounding raw milk.

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