Saturday, November 12, 2011

Goat Fencing

After years of reading and learning, I think we're about to bring home some goats! Unlike chickens, goats require more work, but to have my own milk and meat source is worth the trade off. I hope! We're about to find out.

One of the reasons I've dragged my feet for so long is the issue of fencing. Goats are notorious escape artists and they can be destructive as well. Constantly climbing and chewing, they can make a mess of things really quick. Read any goat book and fencing is a good portion of the contents and usually there's a full chapter dedicated to the subject.



For months, I've been weighing my options. I wanted my goat area to look as lovely and nice as the chicken yard, but our peeler post fencing with non-welded wire would not be tall enough or strong enough. We'd be repairing it constantly, and since my husband has a progressive disease (and of course, we're getting older each year!), I didn't want to add something that would be more work for him. We have enough things to do around here to last a life time!

Because of our CC & Rs, several choices were automatically eliminated. (Oh, how I'd love to have white fencing! But I knew the rules before I moved into the area and I don't regret our decision.) That left us with only a couple of viable options...  I chose corral panels.

Practically speaking, corral panels will withstand a lot of abuse and last for the long haul. And because they're portable, I can move them around or change the configuration depending on our need at the moment. I can add more panels as money is available and expand the area, or I can create sections in order to keep mommas and their babies separate from the rest of the herd.  And should I ever decide we don't need them, I can resell the panels and recover a good portion of my costs (although I've thought about reusing them for my meat chickens if the need arises).

If you decide to use corral panels, the only draw back besides the aesthetics is the fact that you will need to install some type of additional galvanized welded wire to keep the animals in, often referred to as "hog panels". These usually come in 4 gauge wire with different configurations, so be sure to get one that has smaller openings at the bottom in order to keep baby goats from squeezing through. Because the corral panels are 12' long and the hog panels are 16' long, the hog panels will need to be cut to size and then wired onto the corral panels.








The goal is to get the goats here as soon as possible, so I've temporarily set up the corral in the middle of the back yard. The location is pretty much an eye sore right now, but because we're waiting for someone to grade the back 40 (figuratively speaking) where the corral will be permanently located, I needed them out of the area for the big equipment. 

There's certainly other options for goat fencing which many people use successfully, each having its pros and cons. Horse fencing would have worked, but the cost was a bit prohibitive and it's permanent so I couldn't move it around. Electric fencing wasn't an option because I didn't want to be dependent on an energy source; even solar panels on electric fencing are expensive and won't last forever. Plus, you run the risk of a goat getting caught in it and seriously hurt. The remaining options would have needed constant mending, so I ruled them out entirely. 

Now, we're moving on to some kind of temporary housing until we can get the barn built, and that issue is going to be a lot harder to resolve. I'm thinking cheap, sturdy, and totally enclosed (as opposed to a lean-to).  Suggestions anyone?



22 comments:

  1. That is so exciting for you guys getting goats! We hope to have them someday! So excited to follow you on this journey to help us prepare us for our turn! :)

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  2. I always thought those prefab sheds at Home Depot or other hardware stores that are intended to store outdoor supplies, would make a great goat house. You can get them in many different exterior finishes, such as country cottage, and they are somewhat mobile, though I believe they need to be anchored permanently on a concrete slab. Best part is they are already built with some minor assembly needed. I haven't looked into myself, but I thought they might be a quick set up backup plan, in case I didn't want to design and build my own.

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  3. Around here, "cattle" panel are 16ft long and keep in all but very young kids or too tall bucks (3+ years old). Combo panel is 16 ft with tighter spacing at the bottom for kids.

    I would highly recommend rethinking electric and looking into using a lead wire inside your existing fence with Smart Fence. My cheapo 7 year old solar charger works just fine with it for keeping in goats and cows. It is significantly easier to handle than cattle panel and allows for more flexibility.

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  4. Sounds like you have thought this out and have come to the right decision. We had goats when I was a child on the river & everytime a storm came they'd run for the hills. We had to go & get them once the storm cleared. Thanks for sharing.

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  5. Oh, my favorite movable goat hut is a truck topper/shell. The are available cheap or free around here. Depending on the shape, you can use them as is or add height with concrete block or a wooden frame and plywood or old pallets.

    You don't really want totally enclosed as the excess moisture can lead to mold or pneumonia issues.

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  6. Our goats blow right through our electric fencing, so you made the right decision to take that option off of your list.

    We have a couple of pens made out of cattle/hog panels and t-posts. That has done fine for keeping the goats, calves and mini horse in.

    As for a temporary shelter.....they don't need much......so if its temporary, a dog house type shelter with some straw in it would do fine for sheltering the goats. Just make sure that the goats can't stand on top of it and jump over the fence.

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  7. We have Kinder goats. They are a cross between a Nubian doe and Pygmy buck. They are a gentle, medium sized goat and high milk yielders! We have them for sale! We use electric fence in some areas of our farm, other areas we use wooden posts with livestock panels. Both ways have worked wonderfully for us. Please contact us if you are interested in Kinders. Puretsimple@blogspot.com

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  8. What kind of goats are you intending to get. Nigerian Dwarfs are a smaller goat with a sweet personality. We love combi panels and have never had trouble with the goats jumping out or eating anything they shouldn't.

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  9. Amy, how many goats will you house in the pen pictured above?

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  10. I don't have goats so don't know any particulars for housing, but seems like so many people use those igloo type shelters for various types of critters in all seasons. The dairy we get our raw milk from uses them for their calves. They are portable, too!
    Excited for you to be getting your goats soon!
    Blessings!

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  11. I'm no expert on goats, but we, due to my husband's persistence, had two. I was SURE they would get out and be a terrible nuisance. They never did. They did get their horns stuck in our fencing a time or two, but that's all. Maybe you'll be blessed with goats that are mild-tempered homebodies and don't want to escape! :)

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  12. Having your own goats is well worth it. Our environement is very safe for goats here, so we don't need to shelter them in enclosures, but, it looks like you got some good suggestions. Sheds with good ventilation would probably work well. All the best!

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  13. So excited you're getting goats! We just got 2 pregnant Nubians about 6 weeks ago, and I'm IN LOVE. I can't imagine how much more I'll be when they kid in late December...Christmas babies!!!

    As for fencing, we used welded wire (4 ft tall) with t-posts and treated 4x4s at the corners. We also have one wire of electric placed nose-high with a $99 solar charger from TSC...seems to work great for our two.

    For shelter, we actually took in part of an existing shed. Biggest draw-back is that it has a concrete floor. I thought this would be a plus because around here (south Mississippi), it would be cool and they do love to sleep on it in the summer and it's easy clean-up (just sweep out the nanny berries). Not so much since the temps have dropped, though. I've added hay for warmth, but now they've decided they should pee in the hay...and there's no ground to soak it up...so the pee just accumulates there under they hay...it's a mess every morning to clean up. I am going to have to come up with something else...not liking this set-up AT ALL -- will probably build a simple lean-to at some point. I have found, however, they don't require much for shelter...just somewhere to get out of the rain and to sleep at night.

    This has all been live and learn for us...hope you figure it out the first time around!

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  14. Just my two cents...
    We have never been able to keep goats in electric fencing either. We have always stuck with cattle panels. Then you only have to get their head unstuck every now and then (if they have horns).

    We have also used a large dog house when we were only housing one or two goats.

    Good luck with you goat adventures! :)

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  15. I don't know that you actually want it totally enclosed, because without ventilation it may get kind of gross.

    You may want to see if you can find any calf box things. They're like plastic little houses for calves, and they would work great for goats, too. Temporary, portable, and relatively inexpensive.

    Your fencing looks quite adequate. We had wood fencing already here from the previous owners (...but they had animals about 30 years ago), so we ran 4' wire fencing around the interior of it. It's been okay. If the fencing starts to come up at all the goats will wedge themselves into the space where it's coming up, just for fun. I wish we had chosen a more sturdy wire, but we were just trying to keep costs down. At one place we ran the wire where there wasn't wood fencing and we have one jumper--when she has access to that pasture, she has to be on a chain, because that fence without the top wood piece is just too enticing. Now, we very rarely have goats escape because the fencing is tacked down pretty well.

    What type of goats are you getting? Ours are all Nubians. There is one website that has been especially helpful for goat information: FiasCo farm. I think that's what it's called. Good luck.

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  16. Over here the saying is: goats will teach you to swear! Well, they did, sometimes. But most of the time they behaved very well.
    I wish you luch with your new family members to be!

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  17. Thanks for all the helpful comments on fencing and housing, everyone! We just put in four posts to build a lean to type shed. We're going to add some cross beams and then enclose three and 1/2 sides with siding of some type. We'll hang a corral gate on the front south side to avoid wind and to keep out unwanted predators at night (which is why I wanted it totally enclosed, but you're right that we need ventilation.) Again, this is temporary, but around here, that means MONTHS!

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  18. Amy, I don't know what books your reading but stop! :) Goats have gotten a bad rap - they are not destructive and very easy to take care of, sometimes we all over think a situation. Your best advise will come from other goat owners. I have over 30 goats - Nigerian and we have welded wire which works just fine - the only time they really have anything to do with the fencing is when they rub up against it to get rid if their winter coat. I could'nt find where your located but goats need shelter free of drafts,now that can be an old tin shed - nothing fancy, hay, water and grain, (1) cd&t shot @ year as simple as that.Best of luck with your goats :)

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  19. Village Haven Farm, Thanks for the input! Most of my information has come from being mentored by a friend who has raised goats for over 10 years and input from many goat owners in my homesteading group, although I have read a few books as well. Seems that the consensus is that there is no consensus! Goats will do what they get in their mind to do and some are more notorious than others. For example, a friend's Nigerian Dwarf managed to push a small dog house type unit to the fence and climb over only to break his leg in the process. Others are apparently quite content in their own space. My mom's goats climbed TREES (as well as the goat house!). My philosophy... don't wait to find out; be proactive! Just my personal take on it, but it does require extra work up front. We will be getting Kinders and I'm very excited as I think they will be wonderful additions to our homestead.

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  20. Great fencing! We did not have any trouble with the first fence like you had, but we had some barbed wire at top. I didn't realize goats as seen as escape artists, who knew. Guess we had good goats. They were sold as hubby had to get a job. You will do great raising goats, I'm sure.

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  21. Hey, goats are great! What breed are you thinking about getting? Goats are easy enough to take care of but there are two things you need to watch carefully, their copper intake and parasite loads. Either can kill a goat quickly. Learn about the FAMANCHA score :)

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  22. Glad to hear you're getting closer to having goats! Ours came with chain link fencing-found a family moving out of state and they needed to find a home for their goats. We got a great deal!

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